Video: Koira häätää suden pihapiiristä Kuhmoisissa

Tässä on iso susi ja koira alakynnessä

Melko harvinainen video kyllä.

Laumanvartija koiraa ei käsittääkseni kuitenkaan tarvitse kouluttaa laumanvartioimiseen, se tulee siltä luonnostaan.

Euroopassa patikoidessani olen muutaman kerran törmännyt näihin koiriin vuoristoseuduilla vartioimassa lammaslaumoja. Tulevat melko lähelle (5-10 metriä) ilmoittamaan, että tähän suuntaan ei ole asiaa jatkaa matkaa. Hyvin on kohtaamisen sujuneet, olen välttänyt turhaa silmiin tuijottelua ja rauhallisesti jatkanut matkaani toiseen suuntaan tehden pienen kiertoreitin.

Susi kohtasi laumanvartijan alistuneen rauhoittavasti häntä koipien välissä ja kroppa sivuttain. Hienosti laumis toimi työssään. Näin niiden laumisten pitäisikin elää eikä missään kerrostalossa

SALT LAKE CITY — A wolf attacked and killed a dog that was guarding sheep near the Wyoming border, the Utah Department of Agriculture confirmed Wednesday.

The wolf killed the dog a week ago on private lands in the Chalk Creek area east of Coalville, Department of Agriculture spokesman Larry Lewis said.

Lewis said the 100-pound Great Pyrenees was no match for the wolf, which injured a second guard dog in the same attack. The other dog was missing for several days but turned up Wednesday, nursing injuries from the attack, he said.

Wildlife officers were able to confirm the wolf kill by collecting fur from the scene, and a livestock herder reported that he saw a wolf limping away from the attack, Lewis said.

The wolf is still on the loose. An effort to trap it was unsuccessful.

State officials, meanwhile, are trying to confirm another report that a wolf or wolves killed a calf Tuesday near Hardware Ranch Wildlife Management Area, 15 miles east of Hyrum along the border of Cache and Rich counties.

Traps were being set Wednesday in that location, said Mark Hadley, a spokesman for the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources.

Ilo silmälle katsoa miten laumis ajaa suden pois! Laumanvartioilla on luontainen ominaisuus oman reviirin ja lauman vartioimiseen.  Jos asuisin maalla, tai edes syrjäisemmällä seudulla omakotitalossa, niin minulla olisi laumanvartija.

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Tässä on iso susi ja koira alakynnessä

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Kuvan koira ei ainakaan ole laumanvartija rotuinen, arvioisin koiran säkäkorkeudeltaan noin 50 senttiseksi ja 20-30 kiloiseksi sekarotuiseksi.

Toki susi on ISO, varmaankin säältään 80-90 cm ja olisiko 70-80 kiloinen. Pohjois-Amerikasta (josta videokin on kuvattu) löytyy maailman isoimmat sudet, vaikka harvoin ne sielläkään sentään noin isoja ovat.

Toki myös laumanvartikoirista löytyy jättiläisiä. Tiettyjen rotujen isoimmat urokset, eli kaukasiankoira/espanjanmastiffi/pyreneittenmastiffi voivat yltää säältään 90-100cm ja reilusti yli 100 kg, toki myös paljon pienempiäkin yksilöitä löytyy, ihan kuten susissakin.

Suomalaiset sudet eivät (onneksi) kovin isoja ole. Keskimääräinen koko taitaa olla sellaiset 35-45 kiloa ja säkäkorkeus 65-75 senttiä, eli noin saksanpaimenkoiran kokoisia, ehkä hieman korkeampia, mutta eivät kovin järeitä.

Vierailija kirjoitti:

SALT LAKE CITY — A wolf attacked and killed a dog that was guarding sheep near the Wyoming border, the Utah Department of Agriculture confirmed Wednesday.

The wolf killed the dog a week ago on private lands in the Chalk Creek area east of Coalville, Department of Agriculture spokesman Larry Lewis said.

Lewis said the 100-pound Great Pyrenees was no match for the wolf, which injured a second guard dog in the same attack. The other dog was missing for several days but turned up Wednesday, nursing injuries from the attack, he said.

Wildlife officers were able to confirm the wolf kill by collecting fur from the scene, and a livestock herder reported that he saw a wolf limping away from the attack, Lewis said.

The wolf is still on the loose. An effort to trap it was unsuccessful.

State officials, meanwhile, are trying to confirm another report that a wolf or wolves killed a calf Tuesday near Hardware Ranch Wildlife Management Area, 15 miles east of Hyrum along the border of Cache and Rich counties.

Traps were being set Wednesday in that location, said Mark Hadley, a spokesman for the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources.

Aika pienehkö laumanvartija, siis 45 kiloinen pyreneittenkoira. Ei takuulla pärjää isolle Pohjois-amerikan sudelle yksikseen.

Tämä on ilmeisesti siellä pieni ongelma juuri nyt susi populaation kasvaessa. Siellä kun on suosittu pitkään laumanvartijoista juuri kohtuu siroa pyreneittenkoiraa, joka toimii kyllä hyvin esimerkiksi kojootteja vastaan, mutta ei aina oikein pärjää susille, etenkään Pohjois-amerikan versiolle.

Nyt siellä onkin lisääntynyt kiinnostus suurempia ja luonteeltaan vielä rohkeampia laumanvartija rotuja kohtaan, kuten epanjanmastiffi, pyreneittenmastiffi, kaukasiankoira, keskiaasiankoira ja kangal.

The anti -wolf groups utilize this to prove how invasive and evil wolves are, the ranching community use this as an example of how helpless they really are in keeping their animals safe from predators, some, animal rights lobbies use this to prove how cruel it is to place dogs in a working situation and hunters use it as a reason to propagate more wolf hunting.

 Very few people stop and look at  the reasons or events, surrounding the  kills,  few people ask the "why" question in these cases or look at the circumstances, leading up to this kill.

The events surrounding the systematic killing of LGD in Romania in 2001-2002, did have some inquiring researches asking; why it was happening and what could be done to prevent this.

The findings on this strange case, are still relevant today, in any country..

I would like to add, that while using this discussion/report of Annette Mertens and Helgo Schneider as a "lead into" my blog, I would like to add  the following points:

I purposely decided to use this report,

 it as it was one of the few pieces I have ever read that did address the aspect of crossbreeding and the possible devastating effects it can have on both LGD and on predator management.

I have not (yet) found an article in  the English language literature that I have read ( and I am not saying I have read everything!) that actually talks about the effects of cross-breeding and the socio -economic aspect that influence the quality of LGD.

 Although, I do not doubt that there are inaccuracies, misinformation and sensitive points in the original report,

I felt that it did not distract on where I wanted to head in my blog.

  Remember, this blog is not a discussion on  the merit of the report,

or the method used to build the report,

 it is not a discussion on Romanian politics or whether Mertens and Schneider were a good researchers or not.

All of those issues are not THE discussion,

I believe the conclusions drawn in this report are accurate for many countries.

  The conclusions about the crossbreeding, quality of dogs and the socio economic impacts,

 are the key to this blog.

So, what is the strange case of the Romanian LGD?

( at the end of this blog you can find the original reference to this article)

In Romania, from January 2001 to October 2002, in an area close to 70 square kilometers, wolves were responsible for the killing of 62 sheep, 7 cattle, 1 kid (goat), 2 foals  and a staggering 186 dogs

(157 adult LGD, 2 pups and 27 smaller dogs ( herding dogs).

Just to compare; over a 20 year time span, about 83 LGD were confirmed wolf kills, in the Rocky Mountain region of the USA (Bangs et al. 2006).

{A Review: The Use of Livestock Protection Dogs in Association with Large Carnivores

in the Rocky Mountains by C. Urbigkit & J. Urbigkit}

.  Some household  incurred more systematic attacks, in certain time periods, than others.

Here are some numbers relating to livestock killed by wolves in this time period:

59% of attacks on livestock happened during the day when the owner was absent

32% at night

9% at dusk or dawn 

Where was  the livestock  during an attack?

79% were free grazing

19% in a wooden enclosure

2% in a barn/stable

The LGD were in the vicinity of the stock in 77% of the attacks

and in 23% the LGD were absent.

Kaippa se nuori susi yrittää näyttää selkäänsä köyristelemällä suuremmalta, itsevarmemmalta, vahvemmalta kuin on. Kokemattomat nuoret eläimet tekevät erehdyksiä ja oppivat kai myös kantapään kautta etsiessään uusia reviirejä. En oikein edes ymmärrä mikä tämän aloituksen ajatus on, ihan kiva video sinänsä.

Nuo koirat on tarkoitettu susien häätöön, se tulee ihan luonnostaan.

Yksinäinen susi on aina arka, sama koskee oikeastaan kaikkia petoeläimiä, luonnossa ei ole varaa olla haavoittunut.

Suomessa kyllä toimii ihan hyvin "pienemmätkin" laumanvartijat, kuten maremmano-abruzzese, estrelankoira tai pyreneittenkoira.

Käsittääkseni laumanvartijan oikea toimintatapa on välttää yhteenottoja susien kanssa ja vain pitää ne loitolla tai häätää liian läheltä reviiriä/laumaansa. Vain aivan hätätilanteessa ajautuvat varsinaisiin yhteenottoihin susien kanssa, toki eivät saa sitäkään vältellä tarpeen vaatiessa. Näitähän on Euroopassa käytetty vuosisatoja, jos ei tuhansia.

Vierailija kirjoitti:

The anti -wolf groups utilize this to prove how invasive and evil wolves are, the ranching community use this as an example of how helpless they really are in keeping their animals safe from predators, some, animal rights lobbies use this to prove how cruel it is to place dogs in a working situation and hunters use it as a reason to propagate more wolf hunting.

 Very few people stop and look at  the reasons or events, surrounding the  kills,  few people ask the "why" question in these cases or look at the circumstances, leading up to this kill.

The events surrounding the systematic killing of LGD in Romania in 2001-2002, did have some inquiring researches asking; why it was happening and what could be done to prevent this.

The findings on this strange case, are still relevant today, in any country..

I would like to add, that while using this discussion/report of Annette Mertens and Helgo Schneider as a "lead into" my blog, I would like to add  the following points:

I purposely decided to use this report,

 it as it was one of the few pieces I have ever read that did address the aspect of crossbreeding and the possible devastating effects it can have on both LGD and on predator management.

I have not (yet) found an article in  the English language literature that I have read ( and I am not saying I have read everything!) that actually talks about the effects of cross-breeding and the socio -economic aspect that influence the quality of LGD.

 Although, I do not doubt that there are inaccuracies, misinformation and sensitive points in the original report,

I felt that it did not distract on where I wanted to head in my blog.

  Remember, this blog is not a discussion on  the merit of the report,

or the method used to build the report,

 it is not a discussion on Romanian politics or whether Mertens and Schneider were a good researchers or not.

All of those issues are not THE discussion,

I believe the conclusions drawn in this report are accurate for many countries.

  The conclusions about the crossbreeding, quality of dogs and the socio economic impacts,

 are the key to this blog.

So, what is the strange case of the Romanian LGD?

( at the end of this blog you can find the original reference to this article)

In Romania, from January 2001 to October 2002, in an area close to 70 square kilometers, wolves were responsible for the killing of 62 sheep, 7 cattle, 1 kid (goat), 2 foals  and a staggering 186 dogs

(157 adult LGD, 2 pups and 27 smaller dogs ( herding dogs).

Just to compare; over a 20 year time span, about 83 LGD were confirmed wolf kills, in the Rocky Mountain region of the USA (Bangs et al. 2006).

{A Review: The Use of Livestock Protection Dogs in Association with Large Carnivores

in the Rocky Mountains by C. Urbigkit & J. Urbigkit}

.  Some household  incurred more systematic attacks, in certain time periods, than others.

Here are some numbers relating to livestock killed by wolves in this time period:

59% of attacks on livestock happened during the day when the owner was absent

32% at night

9% at dusk or dawn 

Where was  the livestock  during an attack?

79% were free grazing

19% in a wooden enclosure

2% in a barn/stable

The LGD were in the vicinity of the stock in 77% of the attacks

and in 23% the LGD were absent.

Romaniassa, pääosin karpaattien alueella on PALJON suurpetoja ja käytetty laumanvartija rotu on pääasiassa Karpaattienkoira, joka alkaa olla auttamatta liian pieni siihen tehtävään niin suurpeto tiheillä seuduilla.

Se on eräs pienimmistä laumanvartija roduista vain 32-45kg koollaan. Lisäksi puhumme köyhästä maassa, missä kaikesta säästetään, luultavasti hyvin usein myös koirien ruokinnasta ja koira määrästä vartioimassa lammaslaumoja.

Muutama aliravittu (= 35kg) karpaattien koira vastassaan susilauma päätyy auttamatta susien ravinnoksi.

Koiran olisi halutessaan voinut alistaa kierrehypyllä ja puraisulla kaulaan. Olen satoja koiria koosta riippumatta alistanut näin ja joka kerta olen poistunut tilanteesta Alffana. 

https://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/a/201805022200915138

Ukko-koira taas yritti häätää karhua pihapiiristä :)

Tuolla on aina ollut susia. Värityksestä näkee että oli ulkopaikkakuntalainen kuljeksija.

Kun laumanvartija ilmoittaa tunkeilijasta ja varoittaa sitä, se heiluttaa häntäänsä.

Kun hännän heilutus lakkaa (uhkaavassa tilanteessa), se varautuu puolustautumaan/hyökkäämään.

Videon alussa näkee koiran hetkellisesti lopettavan hännän heilutuksen ja se on selvästi varautunut suden hyökkäykseen. Myöhemmin sutta "ajaessaan" häntä jälleen heiluu, jolloin se enemmänkin viestii sudelle, että lähdepäs nyt pois tältä alueelta.

Vierailija kirjoitti:

Vierailija kirjoitti:

The anti -wolf groups utilize this to prove how invasive and evil wolves are, the ranching community use this as an example of how helpless they really are in keeping their animals safe from predators, some, animal rights lobbies use this to prove how cruel it is to place dogs in a working situation and hunters use it as a reason to propagate more wolf hunting.

 Very few people stop and look at  the reasons or events, surrounding the  kills,  few people ask the "why" question in these cases or look at the circumstances, leading up to this kill.

The events surrounding the systematic killing of LGD in Romania in 2001-2002, did have some inquiring researches asking; why it was happening and what could be done to prevent this.

The findings on this strange case, are still relevant today, in any country..

I would like to add, that while using this discussion/report of Annette Mertens and Helgo Schneider as a "lead into" my blog, I would like to add  the following points:

I purposely decided to use this report,

 it as it was one of the few pieces I have ever read that did address the aspect of crossbreeding and the possible devastating effects it can have on both LGD and on predator management.

I have not (yet) found an article in  the English language literature that I have read ( and I am not saying I have read everything!) that actually talks about the effects of cross-breeding and the socio -economic aspect that influence the quality of LGD.

 Although, I do not doubt that there are inaccuracies, misinformation and sensitive points in the original report,

I felt that it did not distract on where I wanted to head in my blog.

  Remember, this blog is not a discussion on  the merit of the report,

or the method used to build the report,

 it is not a discussion on Romanian politics or whether Mertens and Schneider were a good researchers or not.

All of those issues are not THE discussion,

I believe the conclusions drawn in this report are accurate for many countries.

  The conclusions about the crossbreeding, quality of dogs and the socio economic impacts,

 are the key to this blog.

So, what is the strange case of the Romanian LGD?

( at the end of this blog you can find the original reference to this article)

In Romania, from January 2001 to October 2002, in an area close to 70 square kilometers, wolves were responsible for the killing of 62 sheep, 7 cattle, 1 kid (goat), 2 foals  and a staggering 186 dogs

(157 adult LGD, 2 pups and 27 smaller dogs ( herding dogs).

Just to compare; over a 20 year time span, about 83 LGD were confirmed wolf kills, in the Rocky Mountain region of the USA (Bangs et al. 2006).

{A Review: The Use of Livestock Protection Dogs in Association with Large Carnivores

in the Rocky Mountains by C. Urbigkit & J. Urbigkit}

.  Some household  incurred more systematic attacks, in certain time periods, than others.

Here are some numbers relating to livestock killed by wolves in this time period:

59% of attacks on livestock happened during the day when the owner was absent

32% at night

9% at dusk or dawn 

Where was  the livestock  during an attack?

79% were free grazing

19% in a wooden enclosure

2% in a barn/stable

The LGD were in the vicinity of the stock in 77% of the attacks

and in 23% the LGD were absent.

Romaniassa, pääosin karpaattien alueella on PALJON suurpetoja ja käytetty laumanvartija rotu on pääasiassa Karpaattienkoira, joka alkaa olla auttamatta liian pieni siihen tehtävään niin suurpeto tiheillä seuduilla.

Se on eräs pienimmistä laumanvartija roduista vain 32-45kg koollaan. Lisäksi puhumme köyhästä maassa, missä kaikesta säästetään, luultavasti hyvin usein myös koirien ruokinnasta ja koira määrästä vartioimassa lammaslaumoja.

Muutama aliravittu (= 35kg) karpaattien koira vastassaan susilauma päätyy auttamatta susien ravinnoksi.

Aikanaan näin kirjoituksen, missä joku makarooni kysyi tappelukoirien kasvattajalta (useita venäjän mestaruuksia) "keskiaasianpaimenkoira" pärjääkö nuo tappelukoirat susille ja vastaus oli, että ei pärjää ja eivät ole useinkaan edes halukkaita tappelemaan. Toki tuolla on, ehkä suurin susirotu canis lupus communis (keskivenäjän susi) urokset 40-80kg ja naaraat 30-55kg. Ihmistäkin kohtaan erittäin agressiivinen alalaji, jota saa metsästää läpivuoden.

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