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20.05.2025 |
Mutta seksisuhteet nuorten poikien, prostituoitujen ja orjien kanssa olivat miehille hyväksyttyjä. Sen sijaan naisten oli ehdottoman suotavaa olla neitsyt avioliittoon asti. Aikuinen siveellinen nainen käytti hiuksensa peittävää huntua liikkuessaan julkisilla paikoilla.
Same-sex relationships were common in the Roman world. What made them acceptable or not was age and status dynamics. One piece of literature tells of travel to the afterlife where the Isle of the Blessed is described as all the wives are shared in common without jealousy. . . and all the boys submit to their pursuers without resistance . Pederasty was not considered a problem. Neither was sexual fulfillment with slaves. Slaves, prostitutes, and boys were seen as perfectly legitimate outlets for male sexual desire. In an empire of 70 million, between 7 million and 10 million were enslaved. Harper says, Slaves played something like the part that masturbation has played in most cultures.
Pederasty was common and widely approved by the Romans (with exception of some Stoics). It was not shameful for boys to give themselves to older men, nor was it shameful for older men to pursue boys. What was shameful was for men to play the passive role in a homosexual relationship. They were called effeminate, or she-men, or acting like men during the day and behaving like girls at night. This behavior was severely ridiculed.
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Jos mies oli harrastanut seksiä prostituutin kanssa ennen avioliittoa, hänet laskettiin kuitenkin edelleen neitsyeksi.
Prostitution was ubiquitous and uncontroversial. It was seen as a proper outlet for a mans sexual energy. If a man had sex with prostitutes before marriage, he could still be counted a virgin. If he had sex with prostitutes during marriage, it was not considered adultery. One Christian bishop described Roman sexual policy as forbidding adulteries, building brothels.
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Sellaista uskovaisten oksennusta tällä kertaa.
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Sellaista uskovaisten oksennusta tällä kertaa.
Mitä ihmettä selität idiootti? Tuossa puhutaan antiikin roomalaisten ja kreikkalaisten seksikäyttäytymisestä.
Roomalaisille ei ollut mielekästä partnerin sukupuoli vaan se penetroiko vai tuliko penetroiduksi. Raavaat miehet olivat panokoneita, penetroivat niin naisia kuin miehiäkin. Eikä siinä mitään häpeää. Sen siis penetroiduksi tuleminen ei ollut sopivaa viriilille miehelle.
Vierailija kirjoitti:
Vierailija kirjoitti:
Sellaista uskovaisten oksennusta tällä kertaa.
Mitä ihmettä selität idiootti? Tuossa puhutaan antiikin roomalaisten ja kreikkalaisten seksikäyttäytymisestä.
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In other words, there are examples in the Roman world of long-lasting same-sex couples. Its not that all homosexuality was man-boy love. In fact, there is evidence that some same-sex pairs ritually enacted their own conjugal rights. At the same time, there never was, even in the sexually permissive Roman Empire, any sort of gay marriage with official legal standing. On the whole the Romans did not tolerate homosexuality, at least not for themselves. They were extremely tolerant of Roman men seeking out sexual pleasure from boys, slaves, and prostitutes. They were not at all tolerant of free Roman men being penetrated as the passive actors in same-sex relationships. The viciousness of mainstream attitudes toward passivity is startling for anyone who approaches the ancient sources with the false anticipation that pre-Christian cultures were somehow reliably more civilized toward sexual minorities.
As for women, they were to be virgins before marriage and loyal and faithful wives within marriage. To pursue any other path meant great shame (or much worse). Adultery was a crime against man. The womans chief virtue was pudicitia (modesty). Harper relates that from sexual maturity women wore their hair veiled as a sign of modesty.
Generally, there were laws insisting upon consent, for free women, for both marriage and sex. There were liberal divorce laws, allowing both men and women to unilaterally sue for divorce for almost any cause. We should not think free Roman women were pining for sexual liberation. Woman often promoted the value of modesty as much as anyone else, and they used the ideal of chastity to their advantage.