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Taina Licciardo-Toivola herää klo 03:00
03.11.2018 |
On pistänyt videon Youtubeen aamurutiineistaan. Herää kolmelta ja tekee omia juttujaan, kunnes pienimmät lapset heräävät klo 6. Ajatuksia? Kuulostaa hullulta tuohon aikaan herääminen, mutta samalla olen hieman kateellinen, että joku saa itsensä noin aikasin ylös viettämään omaa aikaa.
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Vierailija kirjoitti:
Vierailija kirjoitti:
Mikä ihme tämä wannabe-julkkis perhe on? Kauniit lapset mutta jestas miten sekavasti editoituja videoita ilman mitään pointtia.
Ja melkein miljoona subscriberia.... Kaikkeen sitä porukka aikaansa tuhlaa...
Taina on jo takavuosien tähti. Miljoonasta aktiivisia on murto-osa, katselukertoja ihan maksimissaan 200 tuhatta ja usein alle 100 tuhatta. Nousuvaiheessa katselukertoja on usein 1,5 kertaa enemmän kuin tilaajia, ja jo vähän kulahtaneillakin tubettajilla ainakin puolet tilaajista katsoo videon.
Tuloja saa katselukertojen perusteella, ei tilaajien. Katseluminuutit määräävät myös paljon, jos videoita katsotaan pidemmän aikaa, tuottavat katselukerrat ja mainokset enemmän.
Esim. yksi ensimmäisistä suomalaisista tubetähdistä, Soikku, tekee edelleen videoita mutta katsojia on ehkä max. 5000 vaikka tilaajia on 180 tuhatta.
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Vierailija kirjoitti:
Leo on rohkea, kun leikkasi hiuksensa.
Veikkaanpa sitä, että Taina ei ole kovin ilahtunut Leon hiustenleikkuusta. Heidän isommilla pojilla ja Paulilla ollut pitkät hiukset aina
Vierailija kirjoitti:
Report someone, who is just fine?!There are millions of children that have real worries, go report that to someone or go do something about that! Insane! Some people are just busybodies in other peoples lives. Let them live and learn. Malnourished?! I don’t think so, I though would not put my whole family on Vegan diet even if I chose to go Vegan( not happening), but would make them healthier meals.
I do not agree with everything that’s happening with Taina’s life, but it’s not my business. Her family is her business and how she raises them is her business too.
It’s Finland, they would get enough to support themselves and her “YouTube “ income I guess is sufficient too. Personally if I would live in Finland, I would put my children to school, because the Finnish schools are the best! I would not attempt to homeschool in Finland because the education system is way too good. Please be mindful of how you talk and treat people who share their lives on social media.
Firstly, I am a qualified family lawyer and junior partner in a law firm specialising in family law. I am an expert on family law, and I have dealt with several cases of child neglect and other complexities where children's welfare are at stake. So thanks for telling me to go and deal with other children who need help. But that happens to be my JOB and my area of expertise. I know by looking at this family that there is a clear case of neglect going on here. I am not insane. Taina is the insane one. She is clearly suffering from several mental illnesses, possibly an eating disorder, the effects of which are resulting in her children and disabled husband suffer. Oh, by the way given your extreme defensiveness, I suspect you are in fact Taina!!! So Hello!
How are you defending a women who is known for making her 9 children sleep in cars, with no access to real beds, proper wash facilities, and is feeding them a restricted diet? How are you defending a women who is allegedly living in a warehouse ? How are you defending a women who has never given her children real stability? Since leaving the big house, which I suspect was a rental, and a means for her to get her youtube channel up and running, she has never given them a long term stable home. As a family lawyer I am here to tell you now that living in a car is not a stable home, neither is a warehouse. It is far from it. It is neglectful, dangerous and harmful to those children. No social services in a developed country would allow for children to live the way that those children are. If you cannot see how it is damaging them then you need to open your eyes. If you are not Taina and you really are someone defending her, you are complicit for allowing those children to be neglected, and failing to report it!!!
Several people have noticed how malnourished those children are, several forums (tattle life for example) have stated that those children are nutrient deprived, that the 4 little ones, especially Aphrodite, are extremely small for their age, much smaller than the average child their age, and are all developmentally delayed. People are recognising the evident physical damage that the malnourishment is having on those children's health. For example Aphrodite's size, and her bowed legs, Nefertiti's rotten teeth, Shakespeare looking hungry, and having the body of a 5 year old despite being 9 YEARS OLD !!!! The fact that all of the younger children appear at least a year below in their development, and appear a year younger due to the evident malnourishment. Cleopatra's thinning hair, Jerusalem and Romeo both appearing much skinner than they should be for young MEN of their age. If you fail to see those clear signs of Malnourishment you must be as blind as Paul. :)
Carrying on from that last comment. -
Speaking of their meals, let's have that discussion shall we? When they are fed they are fed small portions of chickpeas and various other strange foods. On their trip to Europe they were being given ONE mushroom for breakfast. That is not a sufficient meal for children or adults. They do not eat enough, and when they do eat, they do not eat the right types of food to ensure that they are healthy. They do not supplement, and their vegan diet is abysmal. Vegans can have perfectly healthy and balanced diets, I do not dispute that one bit, but this family do not have a healthy or balanced diet and they do not eat enough. Taina and Cleopatra may have some form of eating disorder, especially as there is evidence of Cleopatra following several pro-anorexia instagram account on the YTMD forums. I do not blame them for that, that is not their fault, that is a great tragedy, but that does not mean that those other children should have a restricted diet. Those children are hungry, and it is pretty obvious in the recent videos of them living in their car. I am not the only person to have said this, this has been recognised on several of the forums such as tattle life. So if you cannot see the clear malnourishment those children are suffering that is on you, you'e obviously choosing over look that.
Her family may well be her family, but those children have the right to a stable home, and good education, a good diet. The law and the public authorities will have the right to intervene if the children's welfare is at risk, and I suspect that it is! The welfare of the children will ALWAYS come before the autonomy of the parents to do as they wish with the child. Children have rights, are you not familiar with the UN convention of the rights of a child? The interest of a child is article 3. Perhaps you should re-assess Taina's treatment of her children, the fact that they are homeless, and malnourished, and check that out before commenting back to me.
If they are getting money WHY are they living in cars? Why are they allegedly living in a warehouse ? Where are all their youtube earnings going? Taina has wasteful and erratic spending patterns, which are obvious from her trip to India for plastic surgery. I agree in theory they should have money to support their family, but evidently they do not, given that they are living in cars. I agree that Finland do have a generous benefit system, and so they should be in receipt of child benefit and disability benefit for paul. But where is all of the money going? To their religious cult?? Because I see no evidence of it being spent on supporting those children and giving them a stable home environment. The fact that they should have money to meet the needs of their children and yet their needs continue to not be met makes this situation a whole lot worse. They must therefore, in your view given that they have a seemingly stable income, be choosing to live in cars and a warehouse. Consequently, choosing to neglect their children, choosing not to feed them, offer them a balanced diet, or a home where they have their own beds. That does NOT defend their actions, it only goes to suggest that they are inadequate parents that cannot meet the need of their children.
Finally -
Their homeschooling may well be perfectly legal, but the provisions of home schooling is evidently inadequate. Nefertiti desperately needs Speech and Language therapy, many of their children are developmentally delayed, and are not receiving an adequate education. Though that is clearly because Taina wants to isolate them from the real world, and feed them a pack of lies that fits her agenda of her weird fundamentalist religion.
So Taina, as I know you will be reading this, I hope you enjoyed this. This is my professional opinion. I hope that you do see this as a wake up call and realise that people are very much aware of these issues, and it is not just me. I hope that you do learn from this. I want nothing more than to see those children thrive, I want nothing more than to see you thrive as a mother. But if you carry on neglecting your children, permitting them to a life of living in cars, eating inadequate meals, and allowing their health to suffer then I do believe that your children's welfare will be better if they were not in your care. You live in a wonderful country, with wonderful services that can support you, and help you to be a better mother that you children deserve, just accept the help and stop dragging you children ( 4 of whom are infants) around and making them sleep in cars, give them a real stable home, and feed them healthier, balanced meals.
I shall end this just as Paul would, and to quote Paul "THE END IS NEAR". And by that I mean the end of you neglecting your kids.
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Please refer to the above comment I made, and the the UN convention on the rights of a child :)
Youtube ei maksa näyttökerroista.
Mainostuloilla ei juurikaan rikastu
Niistä saa n. euron per tuhat näyttökertaa.
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Vierailija kirjoitti:
Hän sanoi olevansa englanninkielinen. Veikkaan, että on amerikkalainen.
Voi sitä olla huolissaan toisten asioista, mutta harva kertoo näin paljon itsestään ja perheestään youtubessa🙂 On ihan laillista ja oikein tehdä asioita eri tavalla kuin muut. Kotikoulu on laillinen. Rahaa voi hankkia tekemällä videoita omasta perheestään. Aikuiset lapset voivat työskennellä perheyrityksessä. Laki ei näitä kiellä. Miksi kieltäisi. Lapset eivät näytä nälkiintyneiltä. Kaikki voivat hyvin.
Toki on hienoa tehdä asioita eri tavalla kuin muut. Ehdottomasti.
Mutta jos joku on erilaista ja laillista niin se ei merkitse että se sen takia olisi hyvää.
Ei ole hyvä evätä lapsiltaan koulusivistys.
Ei ole hyvä kokeilla miten tiukkavegaani ruokavalio vaikuttaa pikkulasten aivojen kehitykseen.
Ei ole hyvä pitää lapsiaan tyhjän päällä ilman turvallista kotia vuosikausia.
Nämä ovat yhtä ehdottomia totuuksia.
Jos oletetaan että täysi-ikäiset tässä perheessä ovat ”töissä” kanavalla niin mitä ovat alaikäiset ?
Katsoin pitkästä aikaa pari Tainan ensimmäisistä vlogeista ja ne olivat vielä ihan hyviä/ mielenkiintoisia. Silloin hänen vlogeissaan oli vielä joku idea, vaikka osa nyt oli feikattukin, mutta silti oli kerrottu sitten vaikka aamu- tai iltarutiinit, talon esittely, esitelty perhe tai synttärit tai vaikka kauppaostokset.
Katsojana kun sitä kaipaa myös vlogeilta (kuten elokuvilta ja sarjoiltakin) sitä, että niissä on ns. selkeä juoni/ tapahtumakulku jne.
Kuvasivat siis vielä ihan hyviä/ mielenkiintoisia vlogeja siellä linnatalossaan. Sitten lähtivät sille Euroopan kiertueelle, jossa oli mahdollisuudet vaikka mihin kehitykseen, mutta valitettavasti vlogien taso laski kuin lehmänhäntä sillä reissulla. Samasta nähtävyydestä saattoi tulla 3-4 pitkäveteistä videota ja toisaalta kaikki oli vain suurta sekasotkua. Palattiin Suomeen ja sama homma jatkui. Tämän takia Tainan vlogit eivät vain enää innosta ja se näkyy myös katsojamäärissä.
Harmi sinänsä, kun heillä oli mahdollisuudet vaikka mihin ja saivat näyttävän nousun ja ihan normiarjesta (vaikka kotikoulupäivä tms.) olisi saanut mielenkiintoista sisältöä, mutta ei. Jotenkin vain tuntuu, että luovuttivat ja vlogit on lähinnä juosten kustu nykyään. Ei mitään sisältöä, aihetta tms.
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Vierailija kirjoitti:
Finally -
Their homeschooling may well be perfectly legal, but the provisions of home schooling is evidently inadequate. Nefertiti desperately needs Speech and Language therapy, many of their children are developmentally delayed, and are not receiving an adequate education. Though that is clearly because Taina wants to isolate them from the real world, and feed them a pack of lies that fits her agenda of her weird fundamentalist religion.
So Taina, as I know you will be reading this, I hope you enjoyed this. This is my professional opinion. I hope that you do see this as a wake up call and realise that people are very much aware of these issues, and it is not just me. I hope that you do learn from this. I want nothing more than to see those children thrive, I want nothing more than to see you thrive as a mother. But if you carry on neglecting your children, permitting them to a life of living in cars, eating inadequate meals, and allowing their health to suffer then I do believe that your children's welfare will be better if they were not in your care. You live in a wonderful country, with wonderful services that can support you, and help you to be a better mother that you children deserve, just accept the help and stop dragging you children ( 4 of whom are infants) around and making them sleep in cars, give them a real stable home, and feed them healthier, balanced meals.
I shall end this just as Paul would, and to quote Paul "THE END IS NEAR". And by that I mean the end of you neglecting your kids.
I am Finnish and I am ashamed that nobody takes action to help those children.
Edelleen ihmettelen kuka tämä itsensä pelistä löytänyt "julkkis" on? En aio hakea napsautella mistään, mutta ihmetyttää koskei ole ainakaan saanut koskaan aikaiseksi mitään - tai tietäisin.
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Sorry, whats here for you?
No successful layer would spend time typing that down. Not even a bad one.
quote=Vierailija]Finally -
Their homeschooling may well be perfectly legal, but the provisions of home schooling is evidently inadequate. Nefertiti desperately needs Speech and Language therapy, many of their children are developmentally delayed, and are not receiving an adequate education. Though that is clearly because Taina wants to isolate them from the real world, and feed them a pack of lies that fits her agenda of her weird fundamentalist religion.
So Taina, as I know you will be reading this, I hope you enjoyed this. This is my professional opinion. I hope that you do see this as a wake up call and realise that people are very much aware of these issues, and it is not just me. I hope that you do learn from this. I want nothing more than to see those children thrive, I want nothing more than to see you thrive as a mother. But if you carry on neglecting your children, permitting them to a life of living in cars, eating inadequate meals, and allowing their health to suffer then I do believe that your children's welfare will be better if they were not in your care. You live in a wonderful country, with wonderful services that can support you, and help you to be a better mother that you children deserve, just accept the help and stop dragging you children ( 4 of whom are infants) around and making them sleep in cars, give them a real stable home, and feed them healthier, balanced meals.
I shall end this just as Paul would, and to quote Paul "THE END IS NEAR". And by that I mean the end of you neglecting your kids. [/quote]
Vierailija kirjoitti:
Sorry, whats here for you?
No successful layer would spend time typing that down. Not even a bad one.quote=Vierailija]Finally -
Their homeschooling may well be perfectly legal, but the provisions of home schooling is evidently inadequate. Nefertiti desperately needs Speech and Language therapy, many of their children are developmentally delayed, and are not receiving an adequate education. Though that is clearly because Taina wants to isolate them from the real world, and feed them a pack of lies that fits her agenda of her weird fundamentalist religion.
So Taina, as I know you will be reading this, I hope you enjoyed this. This is my professional opinion. I hope that you do see this as a wake up call and realise that people are very much aware of these issues, and it is not just me. I hope that you do learn from this. I want nothing more than to see those children thrive, I want nothing more than to see you thrive as a mother. But if you carry on neglecting your children, permitting them to a life of living in cars, eating inadequate meals, and allowing their health to suffer then I do believe that your children's welfare will be better if they were not in your care. You live in a wonderful country, with wonderful services that can support you, and help you to be a better mother that you children deserve, just accept the help and stop dragging you children ( 4 of whom are infants) around and making them sleep in cars, give them a real stable home, and feed them healthier, balanced meals.
I shall end this just as Paul would, and to quote Paul "THE END IS NEAR". And by that I mean the end of you neglecting your kids.
I am a Lawyer who's country is in lockdown, and who has finished work for the day. I am about to go on maternity leave in a few weeks my child is very much occupied with their father at this current moment. I have time to leave a comment on a forum. I often do so on mums net and tattle life as well, as do many other professional working mothers. I did not know that Lawyers were not allowed a life, or to share our views on forums. Lawyers are not aliens, we all have lives outside of our work too. We are entitled to use social media. Sorry if that disappoint you. I don't spend my whole day thinking about this family, that message took no time whatsoever to write. I presume nobody on here has a job or career then? :)
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Tässä Paulin äidin kotisivut:
http://www.marie.licciardo.fi/fi/etusivu
http://www.jesuslightsministries.com/
Sieltä lainattu:
"About Marie
Marie was born in the UK and moved to Australia with her parents as a young child. Marie encountered the Lord at an early age.
Marie's training has included Bible College - Brisbane, street evangelism, preaching and teaching.
Credentials:
Jubilee International Bible College:
Diploma Of Social Science(Religion & Theology)
Psalmody - Diploma of Psalmody
Train the Instructor
Certificate of Christain Ministry
Gold Coast Bible Training Centre (Apostolic Church):
Certificate Of Christain Ministry
Gold Coast College of Chistian Ministry:
Workplace Training(Conducting Assessment)
International Seminares Limited:
Certificate of Achievement - High Intensity Lectures & Workshops
School of the Bible:
2 Yr Diploma of Ministry of Christain Fellowship
In 1995, Pastor Marie and her late husband Dean (1950-2007) established Restoration Life in Christ Church in Sunnybank (Brisbane), Queensland, Australia.
Marie's oversight is Pastor Bob Johnson of A Touch of Love Ministries, Meadowbrook (Brisbane), Queensland, Australia.
Marie has a strong prophetic anointing over her life and has been a minister of the Gospel for the past 25 years. Marie has ministered in USA and India, in Australia for the past 25 years, in Finland for the past 14 years, in Sweden for the past 8 years and in Singapore for the past 7 years, and Estonia the past 3 years.
Marie preaches a strong prophetic word with miracles and testimonies following the preaching of the Word. Through Marie's ministry, many have been saved, delivered, healed and released into their calling and destiny in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Marie desires to reach out to a lost and dying world with compassion, demonstrating the love of Jesus Christ and leading them to Salvation.
Marie has a compassion to train and equip the saints so they too will be effective ministers of the Gospel through the power of Holy Spirit, thus enabling them to fulfill their call and destiny in Christ Jesus."
Olisko hiukan humpuukiprofeetta? No, uskoo ken tahtoo.
Hm ok you are allowed to do what you want. How I knew your a woman, though. Man layers don't do anything for free. Not even leave a message :D
I'm a book keeper, I don't have a life, career yes.
But good luck to you! And take care :)
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Vierailija kirjoitti:
Sorry, whats here for you?
No successful layer would spend time typing that down. Not even a bad one.quote=Vierailija]Finally -
Their homeschooling may well be perfectly legal, but the provisions of home schooling is evidently inadequate. Nefertiti desperately needs Speech and Language therapy, many of their children are developmentally delayed, and are not receiving an adequate education. Though that is clearly because Taina wants to isolate them from the real world, and feed them a pack of lies that fits her agenda of her weird fundamentalist religion.
So Taina, as I know you will be reading this, I hope you enjoyed this. This is my professional opinion. I hope that you do see this as a wake up call and realise that people are very much aware of these issues, and it is not just me. I hope that you do learn from this. I want nothing more than to see those children thrive, I want nothing more than to see you thrive as a mother. But if you carry on neglecting your children, permitting them to a life of living in cars, eating inadequate meals, and allowing their health to suffer then I do believe that your children's welfare will be better if they were not in your care. You live in a wonderful country, with wonderful services that can support you, and help you to be a better mother that you children deserve, just accept the help and stop dragging you children ( 4 of whom are infants) around and making them sleep in cars, give them a real stable home, and feed them healthier, balanced meals.
I shall end this just as Paul would, and to quote Paul "THE END IS NEAR". And by that I mean the end of you neglecting your kids.
I am a Lawyer who's country is in lockdown, and who has finished work for the day. I am about to go on maternity leave in a few weeks my child is very much occupied with their father at this current moment. I have time to leave a comment on a forum. I often do so on mums net and tattle life as well, as do many other professional working mothers. I did not know that Lawyers were not allowed a life, or to share our views on forums. Lawyers are not aliens, we all have lives outside of our work too. We are entitled to use social media. Sorry if that disappoint you. I don't spend my whole day thinking about this family, that message took no time whatsoever to write. I presume nobody on here has a job or career then? :)
Minä olen kateellinen kaikille, jotka selviää vähillä unilla, ollen silti täysin virkeä. Mun pitää nukkua mielellään 9 tuntia/yö että olen virkeä, 8h on ihan minimi ja riittää, jos ei ole univelkaa alla (eli alle 8h unia, mutta tuleehan niitä kun on epäsäännöllinen työaika).
http://www.tv7.fi/vod/player/?program=3508&fbclid=IwAR3hlPtjxqJe6Q3TKtX…
Marie Licciardon haastis ^
Voi voi johtuukohan monet näistä ”huolista” siitä, että on korona-aika eikä Taina ja perhe voinut toimia alkuperäisen suunnitelman mukaan ja muuttaa oman perheensä luo takaisin jo ajat sitten. Nyt täytyy vähän odotella ja luovia.
Tuo amerikkalainen on varmaan se sama, joka oli sairaan oloinen jo muuallakin. Nyt löysi tiensä tänne. Taina varmaan blokannut hänet instasta.
Taina on muuten kommentoinut instassa 4 pv sitten. Löytyy alempaa kommenteissa. Pian taas tulee heiltä varmaan videoita.
Tuo sairas ihminen ei tajua, että pieni pätkä videolle kuvattua jotain hauskaa tapahtumaa ei kuvaa koko heidän elämäänsä ja syömäänsä ravintoa. Ei tajua että lasten 1. kieli on suomi ja kun videot on tehty englanniksi ( suuremman yleisön takia) niin pienien lasten puhe ei ole tietenkään kuin natiivin englanninkielisen puhetta.
Oh my. Your message is way too long and has no real content. Your a lawyer? That’s nice for you.
Most of your content is assumptions! That’s nice that you even assumed about myself, It does not bother me much 😊. I am not going to assume anything about you, even though I want too. Furthermore we are on a forum where we could say what ever we want and people would read it, so I am not going to say what ever I assume!
If people have real concerns about what they see on Taina’s YouTube they should offer to help Taina and Paul, not just report! And surely not talk in a negative way on a forum where they could read all the negative assumptions and thus make their “ mental health “ worse. I know just a little about mental health.
Ketju on lukittu.
Leo on rohkea, kun leikkasi hiuksensa.