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Mitä mieltä poikien ympärileikkauksesta?
09.12.2012 |
Luin tuossa blogia, jossa lapsen isän kulttuurissa kaikilla on ympärileikattu penis. Bloggaajalla itsellä on tytär, mutta hän myös sanoo ettei olisi tiennyt miten toimisi pojan suhteen. Mulle tuli tuosta tosi epämiellyttävä olo. Minun on todella vaikea kuvitella, että antaisin leikata lapsestani mitään osaa peruuttamattomasti pois ilman jotain todella pätevää terveydellistä syytä.
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muutama artikkeli tukemaan sen tereydellisiä vaikutuksia :)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/science/benefits-of-circumcision-outw…
2 – The health benefits:
Dr. Muhammad ‘Ali al-Baar (a member of the Royal College of Surgeons in the UK and a consultant to the Islamic Medicine department of the King Fahd Centre for Medical Research in the King Abdul Aziz University in Jeddah) says in his book al-Khitaan (Circumcision):
“Circumcision of newborn boys (i.e., within the first month of life) brings numerous health benefits, including:
1 – Protection against local infection in the penis, which may result from the presence of the foreskin, causing tightening of the foreskin, which may lead to retention of urine or infections of the glans (tip) of the penis – which require circumcision in order to treat these problems. In chronic cases, the child may be exposed to numerous diseases in the future, the most serious of which is cancer of the penis.
2 – Infections of the urethra. Many studies have proven that uncircumcised boys are more exposed to infection of the urethra. In some studies the rate was 39 times more among uncircumcised boys. In other studies the rate was ten times more. Other studies showed that 95% of children who suffered from infections of the urethra were uncircumcised, whereas the rate among circumcised children did not exceed 5%.
In children, infection of the urethra is serious in some cases. In the study by Wisewell on 88 children who suffered infections of the urethra, in 36 % of them, the same bacteria was found in the blood also. Three of them contracted meningitis, and two suffered renal failure. Two others died as a result of the spread of the micro-organisms throughout the body.
3 – Protection against cancer of the penis: the studies agree that cancer of the penis is almost non-existent among circumcised men, whereas the rate among uncircumcised men is not insignificant. In the US the rate of penile cancer among circumcised men is zero, whilst among uncircumcised men it is 2.2 in every 100,000 of the uncircumcised population. As most of the inhabitants of the US are circumcised, the cases of this cancer there are between 750 and 1000 per year. If the population were not circumcised, the number of cases would reach 3000. In countries where boys are not circumcised, such as China, Uganda and Puerto Rico, penile cancer represents between 12-22 % of all cancers found in men; this is a very high percentage.
4 – Sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). Researchers found that the STDs which are transmitted via sexual contact (usually because of fornication/adultery and homosexuality) spread more among those who are not circumcised, especially herpes, soft chancres, syphilis, candida, gonorrhea and genital warts.
There are numerous modern studies which confirm that circumcision reduces the possibility of contracting AIDS when compared to their uncircumcised counterparts. But that does not rule out the possibility of a circumcised man contracting AIDS as the result of sexual contact with a person who has AIDS. Circumcision is not a protection against it, and there is no real way of protecting oneself against the many sexually transmitted diseases apart from avoiding fornication/adultery, promiscuity, homosexuality and other repugnant practices. (From this we can see the wisdom of Islamic sharee’ah in forbidding fornication/adultery and homosexuality).
5 – Protection of wives against cervical cancer. Researchers have noted that the wives of circumcised men have less risk of getting cervical cancer than the wives of uncircumcised men.
From al-Khitaan, p. 76, by Dr. Muhammad al-Baar.
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muutama artikkeli tukemaan sen tereydellisiä vaikutuksia :)
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/science/benefits-of-circumcision-outw…" alt="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/science/benefits-of-circumcision-outw…">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/science/benefits-of-circumcision-outw…;
2 – The health benefits:
Dr. Muhammad ‘Ali al-Baar (a member of the Royal College of Surgeons in the UK and a consultant to the Islamic Medicine department of the King Fahd Centre for Medical Research in the King Abdul Aziz University in Jeddah) says in his book al-Khitaan (Circumcision):
“Circumcision of newborn boys (i.e., within the first month of life) brings numerous health benefits, including:
1 – Protection against local infection in the penis, which may result from the presence of the foreskin, causing tightening of the foreskin, which may lead to retention of urine or infections of the glans (tip) of the penis – which require circumcision in order to treat these problems. In chronic cases, the child may be exposed to numerous diseases in the future, the most serious of which is cancer of the penis.
2 – Infections of the urethra. Many studies have proven that uncircumcised boys are more exposed to infection of the urethra. In some studies the rate was 39 times more among uncircumcised boys. In other studies the rate was ten times more. Other studies showed that 95% of children who suffered from infections of the urethra were uncircumcised, whereas the rate among circumcised children did not exceed 5%.
In children, infection of the urethra is serious in some cases. In the study by Wisewell on 88 children who suffered infections of the urethra, in 36 % of them, the same bacteria was found in the blood also. Three of them contracted meningitis, and two suffered renal failure. Two others died as a result of the spread of the micro-organisms throughout the body.
3 – Protection against cancer of the penis: the studies agree that cancer of the penis is almost non-existent among circumcised men, whereas the rate among uncircumcised men is not insignificant. In the US the rate of penile cancer among circumcised men is zero, whilst among uncircumcised men it is 2.2 in every 100,000 of the uncircumcised population. As most of the inhabitants of the US are circumcised, the cases of this cancer there are between 750 and 1000 per year. If the population were not circumcised, the number of cases would reach 3000. In countries where boys are not circumcised, such as China, Uganda and Puerto Rico, penile cancer represents between 12-22 % of all cancers found in men; this is a very high percentage.
4 – Sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). Researchers found that the STDs which are transmitted via sexual contact (usually because of fornication/adultery and homosexuality) spread more among those who are not circumcised, especially herpes, soft chancres, syphilis, candida, gonorrhea and genital warts.
There are numerous modern studies which confirm that circumcision reduces the possibility of contracting AIDS when compared to their uncircumcised counterparts. But that does not rule out the possibility of a circumcised man contracting AIDS as the result of sexual contact with a person who has AIDS. Circumcision is not a protection against it, and there is no real way of protecting oneself against the many sexually transmitted diseases apart from avoiding fornication/adultery, promiscuity, homosexuality and other repugnant practices. (From this we can see the wisdom of Islamic sharee’ah in forbidding fornication/adultery and homosexuality).
5 – Protection of wives against cervical cancer. Researchers have noted that the wives of circumcised men have less risk of getting cervical cancer than the wives of uncircumcised men.
From al-Khitaan, p. 76, by Dr. Muhammad al-Baar.
Lapsen kohdalla: lääketieteelliset syyt, kuten ahdas esinahka käy syyksi, muuten ei (onhan tyttöjenkin ympärileikkauksen LIEVIN muoto kielletty, eikä siinä edes poisteta mitään, on poikien versiota lievempi siis, pelkkä neulan pisto josta valutetaan tippa verta).
Aikuisen kohdalla: jos aikuinen kokee itselleen tärkeäksi (uskonto/kulttuuri/terveys), niin leikkauttakoon itsensä.
Mutta lapsista näpit irti!
Jos lapsi ympärileikataan ilman terveydellisiä perusteita, tällöin lapsi tulee ottaa pois vanhemmiltaan. Se on osa uskontoverhoista seksuaalista väkivaltaa. Mikäli esinahka aiheuttaa terveysongelmia, tällöin tilanne on ihan toinen. Esim. oma mieheni on ympärileikattu myöhemmällä iällä terveydellisistä syistä.
Uskonnollisen ympärileikkauksen saa tehdä sitten, kun lapsi on tarpeeksi vanha itse päättämään asiasta eli 18-vuotiaana. Leikkaus on sellainen, ettei sitä voi korjata, joten sen takia en rinnasta sitä esim. korvareikien ottamiseen tai lävistykseen.
Terveydelliset perusteet ympärileikkauksen puolesta tilanteessa, jossa esinahka on ihan normaali, on kumottu monta kertaa. Esim. tässä ketjulla ollut pätkä tuli islamilaisesta näkökulmasta, joka vääristää tieteelliset tulokset varmasti. Ovat nimittäin tarkoitushakuisia.
Jos esinahka on turha, evoluutio hoitaa asian. Ihmisen ei sitä pidä alkaa sorkkia uskonnollisista tai kulttuurisista syistä. Jos näin tapahtuu, lapsi tulee ottaa huostaan ja antaa terveille vanhemmille.
3, kaikki noista on hoidettavissa muuten, eikä osa koske lapsia lainkaan, joten ei käy argumentiksi lasten silpomisen puolesta.
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Ainakin aikuisella miehellä ympärileikkaus on ollut pelkästään turn-on.
Ainakin aikuisella miehellä ympärileikkaus on ollut pelkästään turn-on.
Joitain muita se ellottaa.
Eikä edelleenkään riitä syyksi miksi LAPSI pitäisi silpoa.
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En vaan ymmärrä, minkälainen kiero kulttuuri kutsuu koko suvun katsomaan, kun täysin avuttoman lapsen sukupuolielimiä silvotaan. Siinä on jotain hyvin vastenmielistä. Lapsella on oikeus koskemattomuuteen, ja kun se koskemattomuus rikotaan heti syntymän jälkeen, niin voi vain arvailla kunnioitetaanko sitä sitten myöhemminkään, vain onko esimerkiksi kasvatus väkivaltaista ja alistavaa.
Ainakin aikuisella miehellä ympärileikkaus on ollut pelkästään turn-on.
Joitain muita se ellottaa.
Eikä edelleenkään riitä syyksi miksi LAPSI pitäisi silpoa.
mutta mua ellottaa kaikki se kusi ja haju joka sinne esinahan väliin leikkaamattomilla jää.. ja tiedoksi että ympärileikkauksen lisäksi muslimit peseytyvät AINA vessassa käynnin jälkeen!
kumpikohan puhtaampaa
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Ainakin aikuisella miehellä ympärileikkaus on ollut pelkästään turn-on.
Joitain muita se ellottaa.
Eikä edelleenkään riitä syyksi miksi LAPSI pitäisi silpoa.
mutta mua ellottaa kaikki se kusi ja haju joka sinne esinahan väliin leikkaamattomilla jää.. ja tiedoksi että ympärileikkauksen lisäksi muslimit peseytyvät AINA vessassa käynnin jälkeen!
kumpikohan puhtaampaa
Katsos kun sen vehkeen voi pestä kuka vain mies. Täällä kun opetetaan lapset siihen jo pienenä. Ei se esinahatonkaan aina puhdas ole :DDDD
Joten se pesty on puhtaampi, myös se esinahkainen.
Ja muslimimiehistä on monilla vain pahaa sanottavaa, pikku vinkiksi. Aika monella on huonoja kokemuksia tuosta porukasta, ettei kannata täällä mainostaa olevansa sellaisen kanssa.
Viitaten noihin lääketieteellisiin faktoihin. Kannattaa otta aasiasta ensin selvää. Sanomattakin lienee selvää, että ihmisen terveelle ruumiinosalle ei pitäisi tehdä mitään ilman todellista syytä.
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Viitaten noihin lääketieteellisiin faktoihin. Kannattaa otta aasiasta ensin selvää. Sanomattakin lienee selvää, että ihmisen terveelle ruumiinosalle ei pitäisi tehdä mitään ilman todellista syytä.
Eihän kitarisojakaan tai umpisuolta leikata vain varmuuden vuoksi, jos mitään ongelmia ei ole. Ja esinahasta on tosiaankin vain hyötyä, muutenhan se olisi surkastunut jo pois.
muutama artikkeli tukemaan sen tereydellisiä vaikutuksia :)
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/science/benefits-of-circumcision-outw…" alt="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/science/benefits-of-circumcision-outw…">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/science/benefits-of-circumcision-outw…;
2 – The health benefits:
Dr. Muhammad ‘Ali al-Baar (a member of the Royal College of Surgeons in the UK and a consultant to the Islamic Medicine department of the King Fahd Centre for Medical Research in the King Abdul Aziz University in Jeddah) says in his book al-Khitaan (Circumcision):
“Circumcision of newborn boys (i.e., within the first month of life) brings numerous health benefits, including:
1 – Protection against local infection in the penis, which may result from the presence of the foreskin, causing tightening of the foreskin, which may lead to retention of urine or infections of the glans (tip) of the penis – which require circumcision in order to treat these problems. In chronic cases, the child may be exposed to numerous diseases in the future, the most serious of which is cancer of the penis.
2 – Infections of the urethra. Many studies have proven that uncircumcised boys are more exposed to infection of the urethra. In some studies the rate was 39 times more among uncircumcised boys. In other studies the rate was ten times more. Other studies showed that 95% of children who suffered from infections of the urethra were uncircumcised, whereas the rate among circumcised children did not exceed 5%.
In children, infection of the urethra is serious in some cases. In the study by Wisewell on 88 children who suffered infections of the urethra, in 36 % of them, the same bacteria was found in the blood also. Three of them contracted meningitis, and two suffered renal failure. Two others died as a result of the spread of the micro-organisms throughout the body.
3 – Protection against cancer of the penis: the studies agree that cancer of the penis is almost non-existent among circumcised men, whereas the rate among uncircumcised men is not insignificant. In the US the rate of penile cancer among circumcised men is zero, whilst among uncircumcised men it is 2.2 in every 100,000 of the uncircumcised population. As most of the inhabitants of the US are circumcised, the cases of this cancer there are between 750 and 1000 per year. If the population were not circumcised, the number of cases would reach 3000. In countries where boys are not circumcised, such as China, Uganda and Puerto Rico, penile cancer represents between 12-22 % of all cancers found in men; this is a very high percentage.
4 – Sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). Researchers found that the STDs which are transmitted via sexual contact (usually because of fornication/adultery and homosexuality) spread more among those who are not circumcised, especially herpes, soft chancres, syphilis, candida, gonorrhea and genital warts.
There are numerous modern studies which confirm that circumcision reduces the possibility of contracting AIDS when compared to their uncircumcised counterparts. But that does not rule out the possibility of a circumcised man contracting AIDS as the result of sexual contact with a person who has AIDS. Circumcision is not a protection against it, and there is no real way of protecting oneself against the many sexually transmitted diseases apart from avoiding fornication/adultery, promiscuity, homosexuality and other repugnant practices. (From this we can see the wisdom of Islamic sharee’ah in forbidding fornication/adultery and homosexuality).
5 – Protection of wives against cervical cancer. Researchers have noted that the wives of circumcised men have less risk of getting cervical cancer than the wives of uncircumcised men.
From al-Khitaan, p. 76, by Dr. Muhammad al-Baar.
joo lähi-idässä on varmaan kaikenlaisia tutkimuksia ja löytyy professoria joka lähtöön, selittämään vaikka tyttöjenkin ympärileikkausten hyödyt (löytyy googlella). itsekin asun lähi-idässä nyt enkä ole siis rasisti mutta vähän lähdekrittiikkiä pitää olla.
joku new england journal of medicine kun kertoo ymprileikkauksen hyödyistä niin sit... (ja on ehkä kirjoittanutkin, kyllä siitä joskus joissain tilanteessa voi jollekin olla hyötyä kuten AID/Afrikka, mutta ei suomessa uskoakseni).
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Vai kertoo muslimilääkäri näin, ihan totta! En olisi arvannut! :D
Tiedoksesi, että esinahasta on enemmän hyötyä penikselle kuin siitä, että sitä ei ole. Kannattaisi ehkä tutustua tietolähteisiin vähän laajemmin.
järjetöntä silpomista.
"Satuolento joka meidän mielestämme on totta tykkää siitä!"
Tehtäkööt niin ainoastaan 18v täyttäneille niin katsotaan miten moni antaa silpoa itseään, heh.
Helppohan se on hihhulien vauvoja kiduttaa.