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Omituinen olotila, jossa tuttu vaikuttaa vieraalta – onko muilla?

Vierailija
24.01.2016 |

Tuli yhdestä toisesta ketjusta mieleen...

Minulla on joskus tunne / olotila, että en tunne läheistä ihmistä. Esim. vähän aikaa sitten kaverini (jonka olen tuntenut läheisesti yli 10 vuotta) oli tulossa hakemaan minua autolla kahville ja elokuviin. N. 15 minuuttia ennen hänen saapumistaan minulle tuli kummallinen kokemus, etten jotenkin tunne kaveriani. Tämä kokemus alkoi aavistuksen ahdistaa minua, koska huomasin jännittäväni kaverini kohtaamista. Kuitenkin astuessani autoon hänen viereensä outouden tunne oli hävinnyt ilman, että noteerasin sen poistumista. Vasta kotiin palatessani illalla muistin, että sellainen outo tunne oli ollut.

Minulle tulee näitä muutaman kerran vuodessa enkä pidä sitä suurena ongelmana. Tunteen ollessa päällä siis tiedän kaikki faktat vieraalta tuntuvasta läheisestäni aivan normaalisti: tiedän läheiseni nimen, syntymäajan, millaista autoa hän ajaa, mistä ruoasta hän tykkää, millainen hänen arvomaailmansa on, muistan hänen ulkonäkönsä, minulla on myös yhteiset muistot hänestä ihan normaalisti. Silti hän tuntuu vieraalta ja jotenkin epätavallisella tavalla etäiseltä.

Silloin, kun tunne on päällä, pidän sitä toisaalta neurologisena ja toisaalta psykologisena häiriötilana. En yllättyisi siis lainkaan, vaikka kävisi ilmi, että se johtuu jostain tilapäisestä aivotoiminnan häiriöstä, mutta myöskään se ei yllättäisi, jos kävisi ilmi, että se johtuu vaikka jonkinlaisesta traumahäiriöstä ja siihen liittyvästä tunteidenkäsittelyn ongelmasta, jota en vain tiedosta. Kun tunne on päällä, oloni on hämmentynyt ja arka.

Minulla on ollut näitä kokemuksia nuoresta lähtien, ja olen aina välillä miettinyt, mitä tämä on ja yrittänyt googlailla tästä tietoa erilaisilla hakusanoilla, mutta en ole löytänyt selitystä enkä myöskään ketään toista ihmistä, jolla tätä esiintyisi. Onko täällä muita, joilla kokemusta tästä?

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Vierailija
1/15 |
24.01.2016 |
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se on kuuluisa psykiatrinen sairaus, Capgras Delusion

The Capgras delusion is a rare disorder in which a person holds a delusional belief that an acquaintance, usually a spouse or other close family member, has been replaced by an identical looking impostor.

It is most common in patients with schizophrenia, although it occur in those with dementia, or after a brain injury.

One case report said the following:

Mrs. D, a 74-year old married housewife, recently discharged from a local hospital after her first psychiatric admission, presented to our facility for a second opinion. At the time of her admission earlier in the year, she had received the diagnosis of atypical psychosis because of her belief that her husband had been replaced by another unrelated man. She refused to sleep with the impostor, locked her bedroom and door at night, asked her son for a gun, and finally fought with the police when attempts were made to hospitalize her. At times she believed her husband was her long deceased father. She easily recognized other family members and would misidentify her husband only.

The paranoia induced by this condition has made it a common tool in science fiction books and films, such as Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Total Recall and The Stepford Wives.

3Fregoli Delusion

[Fregoli]

The exact opposite of the Capgras delusion – the Fregoli delusion is a rare disorder in which a person holds a delusional belief that different people are in fact a single person who changes appearance or is in disguise.

The condition is named after the Italian actor Leopoldo Fregoli who was renowned for his ability to make quick changes of appearance during his stage act.

It was first reported 1927 by two psychiatrists who discussed the case study of a 27 year old woman who believed that she was being persecuted by two actors whom she often went to see at the theatre. She believed that these people “pursued her closely, taking the form of people she knows or meets.”

2Cotard Delusion

[Cotard]

The Cotard delusion is a rare psychiatric disorder in which a person holds a delusional belief that he or she is dead, does not exist, is putrefying or has lost their blood or internal organs. Rarely, it can include delusions of immortality.

One case study said the following:

[The patient’s] symptoms occurred in the context of more general feelings of unreality and being dead. In January, 1990, after his discharge from hospital in Edinburgh, his mother took him to South Africa. He was convinced that he had been taken to hell (which was confirmed by the heat), and that he had died of septicaemia (which had been a risk early in his recovery), or perhaps from AIDS (he had read a story in The Scotsman about someone with AIDS who died from septicaemia), or from an overdose of a yellow fever injection. He thought he had “borrowed my mother’s spirit to show me round hell”, and that he was asleep in Scotland.

It is named after Jules Cotard, a French neurologist who first described the condition, which he called “le délire de négation” (“negation delirium”), in a lecture in Paris in 1880.

1Reduplicative Paramnesia

[Trumanparamnesia]

Reduplicative paramnesia is the delusional belief that a place or location has been duplicated, existing in two or more places simultaneously, or that it has been ‘relocated’ to another site. For example, a person may believe that they are in fact not in the hospital to which they were admitted, but an identical-looking hospital in a different part of the country, despite this being obviously false, as one case study reported:

A few days after admission to the Neurobehavioural Center, orientation for time was intact, he could give details of the accident (as related to him by others), could remember his doctors’ names and could learn new information and retain it indefinitely. He exhibited, however, a distinct abnormality of orientation for place. While he quickly learned and remembered that he was at the Jamaica Plain Veterans Hospital (also known as the Boston Veterans Administration Hospital), he insisted that the hospital was located in Taunton, Massachusetts, his home town. Under close questioning, he acknowledged that Jamaica Plain was part of Boston and admitted it would be strange for there to be two Jamaica Plain Veterans Hospitals. Nonetheless, he insisted that he was presently hospitalized in a branch of the Jamaica Plain Veterans Hospital located in Taunton. At one time he stated that the hospital was located in the spare bedroom of his house.

The term ‘reduplicative paramnesia’ was first used in 1903 by the Czechoslovakian neurologist Arnold Pick to describe a condition in a patient with suspected Alzheimer’s disease who insisted that she had been moved from Pick’s city clinic, to one she claimed looked identical but was in a familiar suburb. To explain the discrepancy she further claimed that Pick and the medical staff worked at both locations

Vierailija
2/15 |
24.01.2016 |
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Minä olen yrittänyt selittää tuota jamais vu:n kaltaiseksi jutuksi tai joksikin vastaavaksi pieneksi katkoksi paremman tietämyksen tai selityksen puutteessa.

t. se vierauskohtauksia ja säpsyjä saava sieltä toisesta ketjusta.

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Vierailija
3/15 |
24.01.2016 |
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Vierailija kirjoitti:

Minä olen yrittänyt selittää tuota jamais vu:n kaltaiseksi jutuksi tai joksikin vastaavaksi pieneksi katkoksi paremman tietämyksen tai selityksen puutteessa.

t. se vierauskohtauksia ja säpsyjä saava sieltä toisesta ketjusta.

Joo, jamais vu (deja vu:n vastakohta) on mielenkiintoinen ilmiö. Ei kovin tunnettu. Ois kiva lukea siitä joku artikkeli.

Vierailija
4/15 |
08.08.2017 |
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Se on kamalaa kun ihminen jonka olet aina tuntenut tuntuukin yhtäkkiä vieraalta :( sietämätön tunne..

Vierailija
5/15 |
08.08.2017 |
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Dissosiaatiota.

Vierailija
6/15 |
08.08.2017 |
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Dissosiaatiota, tarkemmin sanottuna derealisaatiota. Kannabis aiheuttaa tuota, ja tietenkin traumat

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Vierailija
7/15 |
08.08.2017 |
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Mulla on samaa toisinpäin. Niin että tuntemattomat tuntuu kaikki tutuilta.

Vierailija
8/15 |
08.08.2017 |
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Minulla on ollut myös tuota lapsesta lähtien. Dissosiaatiohäiriö?

Myös jotenkin etäisyyksien kanssa, etten hahmota niitä esim. liikuntasalissa. Kun siis katsoo kauan kauas, alkaa tuntua oudolta. 

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Vierailija
9/15 |
08.08.2017 |
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Tämä ei sama, mutta kirjoitanpa kuitenkin tänne. Tiedä vaik löytyis kohtalotovereita. Eli saatan joskus unohtaa täysin missä olen. Tiedän kuitenkin, että esim 'kun tuosta ovesta ulos kävelen niin sitten taas tiedän minne täytyy kääntyä ja kävellessäni tulen huomaamaan mitä sitten täytyy tehdä ja että jossain sitten on polkupyöräni ja tiedän minne lähteä ajamaan ja kyllähän jossain joku tienviitta on, että löydän keskustaan missä ikinä olenkin...' jne. Luotan siis kuitenkin, enkä panikoi. Nämä on joskus lyhyitä ja joskus saattaa kestää vaikka sinne jollekin tienviitalle asti. Hassuja.

Vierailija
10/15 |
28.07.2020 |
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Vanha ketju, mutta nostan, että tulisi lisää vastauksia.

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Vierailija
11/15 |
28.07.2020 |
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Vierailija kirjoitti:

Mulla on samaa toisinpäin. Niin että tuntemattomat tuntuu kaikki tutuilta.

Tuttu tuntemus, ei niinkään ihmisten, vaan paikkojen osalta. Vieraalla paikkakunnalla törmään usein kadunpätkiin, taloihin, pihoihin ja metsäalueisiin, joissa on jotain häiritsevän tuttua, kuin olisin nähnyt ne ennenkin. Usein pystyn myös kohtuullisen tarkasti kertomaan millainen talo tien mutkan takaa löytyy, vaikken ennen olisi alueella liikkunutkaan.

En usko yliluonnolliseen enkä kuvittele että voisin tienata ennustajana yhtään mitään, tämä lähinnä häiritsee, kun ei keksi järjellistä selitystä.

Vierailija
12/15 |
08.02.2023 |
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Vierailija kirjoitti:

se on kuuluisa psykiatrinen sairaus, Capgras Delusion

The Capgras delusion is a rare disorder in which a person holds a delusional belief that an acquaintance, usually a spouse or other close family member, has been replaced by an identical looking impostor.

It is most common in patients with schizophrenia, although it occur in those with dementia, or after a brain injury.

One case report said the following:

Mrs. D, a 74-year old married housewife, recently discharged from a local hospital after her first psychiatric admission, presented to our facility for a second opinion. At the time of her admission earlier in the year, she had received the diagnosis of atypical psychosis because of her belief that her husband had been replaced by another unrelated man. She refused to sleep with the impostor, locked her bedroom and door at night, asked her son for a gun, and finally fought with the police when attempts were made to hospitalize her. At times she believed her husband was her long deceased father. She easily recognized other family members and would misidentify her husband only.

The paranoia induced by this condition has made it a common tool in science fiction books and films, such as Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Total Recall and The Stepford Wives.

3Fregoli Delusion

[Fregoli]

The exact opposite of the Capgras delusion – the Fregoli delusion is a rare disorder in which a person holds a delusional belief that different people are in fact a single person who changes appearance or is in disguise.

The condition is named after the Italian actor Leopoldo Fregoli who was renowned for his ability to make quick changes of appearance during his stage act.

It was first reported 1927 by two psychiatrists who discussed the case study of a 27 year old woman who believed that she was being persecuted by two actors whom she often went to see at the theatre. She believed that these people “pursued her closely, taking the form of people she knows or meets.”

2Cotard Delusion

[Cotard]

The Cotard delusion is a rare psychiatric disorder in which a person holds a delusional belief that he or she is dead, does not exist, is putrefying or has lost their blood or internal organs. Rarely, it can include delusions of immortality.

One case study said the following:

[The patient’s] symptoms occurred in the context of more general feelings of unreality and being dead. In January, 1990, after his discharge from hospital in Edinburgh, his mother took him to South Africa. He was convinced that he had been taken to hell (which was confirmed by the heat), and that he had died of septicaemia (which had been a risk early in his recovery), or perhaps from AIDS (he had read a story in The Scotsman about someone with AIDS who died from septicaemia), or from an overdose of a yellow fever injection. He thought he had “borrowed my mother’s spirit to show me round hell”, and that he was asleep in Scotland.

It is named after Jules Cotard, a French neurologist who first described the condition, which he called “le délire de négation” (“negation delirium”), in a lecture in Paris in 1880.

1Reduplicative Paramnesia

[Trumanparamnesia]

Reduplicative paramnesia is the delusional belief that a place or location has been duplicated, existing in two or more places simultaneously, or that it has been ‘relocated’ to another site. For example, a person may believe that they are in fact not in the hospital to which they were admitted, but an identical-looking hospital in a different part of the country, despite this being obviously false, as one case study reported:

A few days after admission to the Neurobehavioural Center, orientation for time was intact, he could give details of the accident (as related to him by others), could remember his doctors’ names and could learn new information and retain it indefinitely. He exhibited, however, a distinct abnormality of orientation for place. While he quickly learned and remembered that he was at the Jamaica Plain Veterans Hospital (also known as the Boston Veterans Administration Hospital), he insisted that the hospital was located in Taunton, Massachusetts, his home town. Under close questioning, he acknowledged that Jamaica Plain was part of Boston and admitted it would be strange for there to be two Jamaica Plain Veterans Hospitals. Nonetheless, he insisted that he was presently hospitalized in a branch of the Jamaica Plain Veterans Hospital located in Taunton. At one time he stated that the hospital was located in the spare bedroom of his house.

The term ‘reduplicative paramnesia’ was first used in 1903 by the Czechoslovakian neurologist Arnold Pick to describe a condition in a patient with suspected Alzheimer’s disease who insisted that she had been moved from Pick’s city clinic, to one she claimed looked identical but was in a familiar suburb. To explain the discrepancy she further claimed that Pick and the medical staff worked at both locations

Aloituksessahan kuvailtiin capgras syndrooman vastakohta eli ap tietää että kyseessä on hänen läheisensä. Capgrasissa henkilö väittää että kyseessä on vaihdokas.

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Vierailija
13/15 |
11.04.2023 |
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Jep. Nuorena useammin kuin nyt.

Vierailija
14/15 |
11.04.2023 |
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CS on temporaalinen dementia.

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Vierailija
15/15 |
11.04.2023 |
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Vierailija kirjoitti:

se on kuuluisa psykiatrinen sairaus, Capgras Delusion

The Capgras delusion is a rare disorder in which a person holds a delusional belief that an acquaintance, usually a spouse or other close family member, has been replaced by an identical looking impostor.

It is most common in patients with schizophrenia, although it occur in those with dementia, or after a brain injury.

One case report said the following:

Mrs. D, a 74-year old married housewife, recently discharged from a local hospital after her first psychiatric admission, presented to our facility for a second opinion. At the time of her admission earlier in the year, she had received the diagnosis of atypical psychosis because of her belief that her husband had been replaced by another unrelated man. She refused to sleep with the impostor, locked her bedroom and door at night, asked her son for a gun, and finally fought with the police when attempts were made to hospitalize her. At times she believed her husband was her long deceased father. She easily recognized other family members and would misidentify her husband only.

The paranoia induced by this condition has made it a common tool in science fiction books and films, such as Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Total Recall and The Stepford Wives.

3Fregoli Delusion

[Fregoli]

The exact opposite of the Capgras delusion – the Fregoli delusion is a rare disorder in which a person holds a delusional belief that different people are in fact a single person who changes appearance or is in disguise.

The condition is named after the Italian actor Leopoldo Fregoli who was renowned for his ability to make quick changes of appearance during his stage act.

It was first reported 1927 by two psychiatrists who discussed the case study of a 27 year old woman who believed that she was being persecuted by two actors whom she often went to see at the theatre. She believed that these people “pursued her closely, taking the form of people she knows or meets.”

2Cotard Delusion

[Cotard]

The Cotard delusion is a rare psychiatric disorder in which a person holds a delusional belief that he or she is dead, does not exist, is putrefying or has lost their blood or internal organs. Rarely, it can include delusions of immortality.

One case study said the following:

[The patient’s] symptoms occurred in the context of more general feelings of unreality and being dead. In January, 1990, after his discharge from hospital in Edinburgh, his mother took him to South Africa. He was convinced that he had been taken to hell (which was confirmed by the heat), and that he had died of septicaemia (which had been a risk early in his recovery), or perhaps from AIDS (he had read a story in The Scotsman about someone with AIDS who died from septicaemia), or from an overdose of a yellow fever injection. He thought he had “borrowed my mother’s spirit to show me round hell”, and that he was asleep in Scotland.

It is named after Jules Cotard, a French neurologist who first described the condition, which he called “le délire de négation” (“negation delirium”), in a lecture in Paris in 1880.

1Reduplicative Paramnesia

[Trumanparamnesia]

Reduplicative paramnesia is the delusional belief that a place or location has been duplicated, existing in two or more places simultaneously, or that it has been ‘relocated’ to another site. For example, a person may believe that they are in fact not in the hospital to which they were admitted, but an identical-looking hospital in a different part of the country, despite this being obviously false, as one case study reported:

A few days after admission to the Neurobehavioural Center, orientation for time was intact, he could give details of the accident (as related to him by others), could remember his doctors’ names and could learn new information and retain it indefinitely. He exhibited, however, a distinct abnormality of orientation for place. While he quickly learned and remembered that he was at the Jamaica Plain Veterans Hospital (also known as the Boston Veterans Administration Hospital), he insisted that the hospital was located in Taunton, Massachusetts, his home town. Under close questioning, he acknowledged that Jamaica Plain was part of Boston and admitted it would be strange for there to be two Jamaica Plain Veterans Hospitals. Nonetheless, he insisted that he was presently hospitalized in a branch of the Jamaica Plain Veterans Hospital located in Taunton. At one time he stated that the hospital was located in the spare bedroom of his house.

The term ‘reduplicative paramnesia’ was first used in 1903 by the Czechoslovakian neurologist Arnold Pick to describe a condition in a patient with suspected Alzheimer’s disease who insisted that she had been moved from Pick’s city clinic, to one she claimed looked identical but was in a familiar suburb. To explain the discrepancy she further claimed that Pick and the medical staff worked at both locations

Aloituksessahan kuvailtiin capgras syndrooman vastakohta eli ap tietää että kyseessä on hänen läheisensä. Capgrasissa henkilö väittää että kyseessä on vaihdokas.

Vähän niin kuon skitsofreenisessä hallusinaatiossa, mutta ei tarvii koko aistimusta itse kehittää.